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will the liberals vote for anything unless they get a rise in the tax for the top people? >> well, really, i can only speak for myself, chris, but my sense of the caucus is there are strong feelings about protecting entitlements from depredations on the other side and they want to be very clear about the details, but i think there's also a willingness to work with the president and support the president in his leadership in averting the fiscal cliff and i agree with mr. terry, we want to get this done before the end of the year so that we're not roiling markets, not disrupting people's planning for the next calendar year, and we're not having anybody's taxes go up in the middle class. >> let me get the timing right plshtion terry. you're in the majority. are you being advised by your whips there are going ton tough votes right near christmas eve or some coming back after christmas before the 31st in some crazy christmas week chaos? in other words are you being advised the big votes will come before christmas? >> our leadership and our conference has said there hasn't been
will the liberals vote for anything unless they get a rise in the tax for the top people? >> well, really, i can only speak for myself, chris, but my sense of the caucus is there are strong feelings about protecting entitlements from depredations on the other side and they want to be very clear about the details, but i think there's also a willingness to work with the president and support the president in his leadership in averting the fiscal cliff and i agree with mr. terry, we want to...
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tax everybody at same rate and tax at lower rate. liz: sheila, the thesis of your idea, why you're on today, talk about forget congress and the president for a moment, congress wall street has to step up. special treatment they get has to stop. what is your idea of wall street and how it should get involved? >> that would be one big one. that is 90 billion a year i believe. there is another question whether we should subsidized excessive leverage at some of these financial institutions. right now the tax code actually gives financial institutions a financial incentive to fund themselves by borrowing a lot of money as opposed to funding themselves with shareholder equity. so some have suggested capping that. if you're levered over certain percentage or number of ratio, 12 to one i suggest, you don't get interest deduction. another way to do it which would be more expensive, equalize treatment of interest and dividends to deduct dividends. that might mate i can more palatable for some to stop treatment for income. but, i think those, t
tax everybody at same rate and tax at lower rate. liz: sheila, the thesis of your idea, why you're on today, talk about forget congress and the president for a moment, congress wall street has to step up. special treatment they get has to stop. what is your idea of wall street and how it should get involved? >> that would be one big one. that is 90 billion a year i believe. there is another question whether we should subsidized excessive leverage at some of these financial institutions....
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prior to taxes. which is greater than the estimated net worth of kanye, and eli manning, and johansson combineed. trace has the news live in washington. account winners remain anonymous can you? >>trace: they can remain anonymous in five states. but in missouri and arizona, they are not among the states so barring a back door legal maneuver we will find out the winners' name and the winners' hometown. the lottery recommends you take a little time, you think about some plans, practice telling your family "no" and you come forward and you celebrate. in arizona there is no power wall in california, utah, and nevada so the winner in arizona may not be from arizona because people were flooding over to see if they could play with that jackpot. arizona gets $25,000, the store that sold the ticket and in missouri they get $50,000, and that is strictly because of state regulation. nothing else. >>shepard: this lottery created a bunch of millionaires. >>trace: on top of the two huge tickets, there were eight o
prior to taxes. which is greater than the estimated net worth of kanye, and eli manning, and johansson combineed. trace has the news live in washington. account winners remain anonymous can you? >>trace: they can remain anonymous in five states. but in missouri and arizona, they are not among the states so barring a back door legal maneuver we will find out the winners' name and the winners' hometown. the lottery recommends you take a little time, you think about some plans, practice...
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taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with james clyburn, representative clyburn last hour, about the notion of raising tax rates on the wealthy and not where the president wants them. he said i want it higher. take a listen and then talk about it. >> we know where the president is. and that is 250,000. but there are a lot of democrats who voiced back before the campaign 500,000. some say even a million. all of that's going to be negotiated. the president wants 250. if mr. boehner wants to come and offer something different, i'm sure he'll do that but the president stands at 250. which is below even where i was but he won the election. >> do you think
taxes going up. taxes going up on the affordable care act. billions of dollars of taxes and fees. what's the four-year view look like? what's the plan look like? so let's look at the numbers. how much do we get from deductions? how much do we get from expenditures? how much more do we need? how much does obama care add? what is our growth rate? you know, we don't have a plan. >> yeah. >> and we're throwing these dollar numbers around like if they were nothing. >> i spoke with...
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tax hikes on the rich. republicans have said, well, we don't want that, but we will put revenue on the table if you agree to some spending cuts. and now both sides are saying you show us your proposed spending cuts first. do i have it about right, marc? >> yeah, about right, essentially. look, the president -- i think it's very clear, i think at least, that the democrats want to go off the fiscal cliff. you can see it in the fact that president obama's out there campaigning instead of sitting down with john boehner, running around pushing for a bill to increase -- extend just the middle class tax cuts which he knows republicans will never do. you can see it in the fact that 33 senate democrats signed this letter which says, quote, we will oppose including social security cuts for current or future pen fisheries in any -- beneficiaries at any time. that's signed by harry reid. senator durbin giving a speech saying no touching medicare or medicaid in any year end package. so, basically, the democratic positio
tax hikes on the rich. republicans have said, well, we don't want that, but we will put revenue on the table if you agree to some spending cuts. and now both sides are saying you show us your proposed spending cuts first. do i have it about right, marc? >> yeah, about right, essentially. look, the president -- i think it's very clear, i think at least, that the democrats want to go off the fiscal cliff. you can see it in the fact that president obama's out there campaigning instead of...
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tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back in february of '09. i can't find a higher direct bid. the yield -- 1.045%, right in the middle of the bid offer we give this auction a b-plus, solid auction. 99 billion is now behind us and considering the issues of fiscal cliff we're going to be looking to handicap a whole lot more auctions over the next several years. back to you. >> absolutely. >>> breaking news now. it concerns microsoft. let's go out to jon fortt. jon? >> hey, sue. microsoft has officially announced the pricing for surface pro. that's the version of microsoft's tablet that runs a
tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back...
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by letting the bush tax cuts expire they get trillions of revenue while preserveing tax cuts for the 98%. how can you be except that? >> stephanie: it's so wear to see a moment of naivete from jim. close the door. >> close the door, wow. >> stephanie: karl, before we go, what is your take on this susan rice thing susan collins now expressing that she's also troubled. >> i'm very troubled. >> stephanie: here's what i don't get, wouldn't he be nominated for secretary of defense any way? >> there's been speculation that he would go up for either one of them. i think he would be perfectly godgood at either one of them, but it all comes down to them not liking susan rice and wanting to blame her for things that happened in the 90s too. >> stephanie: she was also responsible for the coal bomb,. >> we need help with women let's go after one. >> stephanie: yes, exactly. karl frisch, you are delightful. i love you. come back. >> any time. >> stephanie: right back on "the stephanie miller show"." governor tomorrow night. she is awesome. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." [ ♪
by letting the bush tax cuts expire they get trillions of revenue while preserveing tax cuts for the 98%. how can you be except that? >> stephanie: it's so wear to see a moment of naivete from jim. close the door. >> close the door, wow. >> stephanie: karl, before we go, what is your take on this susan rice thing susan collins now expressing that she's also troubled. >> i'm very troubled. >> stephanie: here's what i don't get, wouldn't he be nominated for secretary...
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so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor people. it's money taken out of the productive sector, the private sector, and given to the nonproductive sector, the government. >> finally, we started the conversation talking about the pledge. when senator graham does, though, indicate his commitment is softening, do you have words with him later on? does he get scolded behind the scenes? >> i don't do any scolding. it's not my job to tell other senators or congressman how to vote or what to think. i try to communicate what i think is the message of our party. the
so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter...
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the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody won over there. martha. martha: wow, well, you know we'd lick to her a good story. if you have a good story about winning the lottery and everything turning out really well, let us know. >> reporter: i would have shared. i would have shared. martha: thank you, adam. we'll see you soon. bill: thank you, adam. if you're watching us right now you probably didn't win. you'd be out answering the phone or having a good party. martha: first thing i would do is watch "america's newsroom" if i won. bill: okay that's it. the odds of winning, space junk falling to earth and hitting one person, one in 3200.
the taxes are this. 35% will go to federal taxes. 4.54% will go to arizona taxes, that is much better than california. and 6% will go to missouri taxes. interesting too a couple other notes for you. one this isn't the largest lottery in u.s. history actually earlier this year the megamillions game was $656 million. three people bought tickets that won that, that was earlier this year, and the largest in the history of the world, believe it or not was back in spain in 2011. $939million somebody...
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then personal income taxes. then taxes on consumption, and taxes on property. most of these find that taxes on consumption -- the closest thing we have on the federal level is the payroll tax -- would have no direct tax on consumption like every other country in the oecd. that is a consumption tax. many economists and they oecd find that those taxes have no relationship with economic growth. it is the taxes it -- it is not the taxes on consumption that hard economic growth. host: this is part of a continuing series on "washington journal" focusing on a fiscal cliff. our conversation has broadened. to bring it back to the payroll tax cut and remind you it was enacted in december of 2010, designed to temporarily boost the economy and reduce the tax to% from 6.2% to 4.2% and increased take-home pay about an average of $1,000 to $1,800 per worker. it expires at the end of the year, rates will revert back to 6.2%. if you make $35,000 or so, that will be an extra $700 in taxes. the $2,000, an extra thousand dollars. 75,000, $1,500. finally, $110,000, the upper limit
then personal income taxes. then taxes on consumption, and taxes on property. most of these find that taxes on consumption -- the closest thing we have on the federal level is the payroll tax -- would have no direct tax on consumption like every other country in the oecd. that is a consumption tax. many economists and they oecd find that those taxes have no relationship with economic growth. it is the taxes it -- it is not the taxes on consumption that hard economic growth. host: this is part...
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they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're talking about the importance to business tax rates. one guy who presumably knows something about business is the goldman sachs ceo. he met with president obama yesterday. then he went to talk with wolf blitzer who asked if he would support the president's plan of bringing the rates back up on the wealthiest americans. let's listen. >> if that's what it took to make the math work i wouldn't preclude that if the numbers drive that way. >> he says maybe a tax rate increase should be part of a deal. can't it be part of a deal? not the whole de
they say, let's tax somebody else. if those taxes are going to small businesses creating jobs, we need to bet more people working. the other poll said people believe if they send more in taxes the government will spend it, much of it will be wasted and the dollar figures are so large it's hard to fathom the debt we have. it's $16 trillion. it's an incredible amount. we have added another trillion dollars in just the last year. we need to get spending under control. >> senator, you're...
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...
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tax cut by reenacting the current tax rates for 98% of americans. that kind of logic only makes sense in washington. in my view, we ought to come to some responsible bipartisan broad agreement now and save all of the chaos and save all of the press coverage of the next five weeks. but we may well not get there. it is better for us to go over the cliff than for the democrats to again agree to a deal in which entitlements get slashed and vital supports for low income seniors, for the disabled, for children who are vulnerable in medicaid get taken away. so that's the bigger dynamic. >> bill: amen to that. i'm going to ask you for 30 seconds, we're right up against the clock. you mentioned this word so i have to ask you. will we get filibuster reform? >> i'm optimistic. we've had some very serious conversations in caucus about it. leader reid has fundamentally changed his view from two years ago when we discussed it before. the proposals that the democrats have put on the table for rules reform are modest and responsible. it is essentially this. if you'
tax cut by reenacting the current tax rates for 98% of americans. that kind of logic only makes sense in washington. in my view, we ought to come to some responsible bipartisan broad agreement now and save all of the chaos and save all of the press coverage of the next five weeks. but we may well not get there. it is better for us to go over the cliff than for the democrats to again agree to a deal in which entitlements get slashed and vital supports for low income seniors, for the disabled,...
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capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren buffett makes, the type of money that mitt romney makes, the type of money that bill gates makes. those people aren't paying 14% taxes when the rest of americans are carrying the full load. >> i think to your point about the party on this issue, absolutely. i think the party has a window now to come to the table in an honest way to be, again, the party of the middle class. more importantly, joe, to be the party of the poor, to make the argument of elevating people out of poverty into ownership through our tax syst
capital gains tax. and you even have me going, okay, so what is wrong with the party that believes in free enterprise, that believes in fair play, that believes in working-class americans being able to work hard and start their own businesses? and create their own new jobs and hire their own people? what's wrong with raising the capital gains tax from 15% to 20%? what's wrong with warren buffett's idea of having a minimum tax for the super rich of 30%? so people making the type of money warren...
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we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. in 2002 -- and i was running in a tough primary and those folks back in marietta, georgia, said, phil, are you going to take the grover norquist, americans for tax reform pledge. i said, yes, i will take it. many would have voted for my opponent. that plenl, i honor that. it's a pledge to my constituents. absolutely. >> all right. you say your constituents don't want you to raise taxes on the rich. let me show you what an abc/washington post poll shows. 60% would support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000 per year. you wouldn't do that? >> i understand that their perc
we are talking about reforming the tax code, raisinging tax rates. that's the only thing i say that i absolutely will not do. 258 members of congress, republicans all, have taken the pledge. only six are waffling. we're standing strong on that point. >> do you think that's a pledge with grover norquist, with your constituents? there are others saying they have room around the pledge. >> well, that's a great question you just asked me. is that a pledge to my constituents. absolutely....
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top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to that? >> yes, if it is for tax reform. if we were to lower rates. for example, i think you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and get more revenue and get rid of some deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. that's how you get the my to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth if we send more money to washington. we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position you just spelled out
top 1% pay almost half of the income tax. when the president says it's bad to raise taxes on everyone, that would be taxmageddon, then says i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think that is a big mistake. it is better to leave the money in the hands of those who earned it. leave it in the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise the tax rates on anyone rich or anyone. what about capping deductions, eliminating loopholes, stuff like that. are you open to...
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on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were very flat. sales were flat or even down. as the stimulus started to kick in, we started seeing month to month, every month sense late 2010, our sales go up. it is consumers having more can have dense, having more money. obama care was huge. i provide health insurance for all my employees. the aca is underwriting small businesses doing that helped me absorb a huge increase because i have a couple of folks who work for me who are going through some illness problems. >> lee saunders, your members of afscme, will be financially hurt if we go over the
on the middle class, tax the rich more. there were even calls in that room for higher minimum wages. clearly, no one wants to cut out the safety net that working people are promised for their lives of diligence, using their brains and brawn to build our country. >> mr. prince, republicans claim that the president's plan is bad for small business. why do you think they are wrong? >> let me tell you. the president's plans so far have helped my business. from 2008 to 2011, things were...
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one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars, and stopping those automatic cuts. we're off the cliff. and then we get together with goodwill, right in january with the new senate and the new house, and we hammer out the long-range solutions to all this. >> i want to you listen to something that your colleague, pattie murray, from washington state said on alex wagner's show about this fiscal cliff and her attitude toward it. i want to you react to it. >> sure. >> it's not a good idea to go over the fiscal cliff. no one wants to see that happen. it is a bad idea. but a worse idea
one is the bush tax cuts are expiring. we want to make sure they stay the same for 98% of the people and just those over $250,000 will go back to the clinton rates. and we had the greatest prosperity under bill clinton. and everybody knows that. 23 million jobs, balanced budgets, all the rest. it's not going to hurt anything. the second thing, the automatic spending cuts. so my view is we can climb down that cliff by doing what the president says on taxes, bringing home the money from the wars,...
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like the earned income tax credit. and you were talking about not only a lot of retirees, you're talking about the entire enlisted corp, the united states military and it was an awful statement. and i think he paid a tremendous price for it. it just as you conceive of a presidential campaign you don't want to push people out in a way. it's not a zero sum game where in order to get 50 plus 1 we're going to stigmatize 47%. politics is a game of addition. this is what david and the obama campaign understood so brilliantly is how do we assemble a coalition of voters to get a majority of the vote? and i do think if you look at that coalition that's been assembled i suspect it will be enduring for some time in the way the reagan coalition was and the obama coalition will be. but it was a bad moment for the romney campaign in this election. >> david mentioned in his opening remarks 47%. it was co-incidentle i think that president obama last 47% and you said that the 47% mr. romney was refering to was republicans. that was coi
like the earned income tax credit. and you were talking about not only a lot of retirees, you're talking about the entire enlisted corp, the united states military and it was an awful statement. and i think he paid a tremendous price for it. it just as you conceive of a presidential campaign you don't want to push people out in a way. it's not a zero sum game where in order to get 50 plus 1 we're going to stigmatize 47%. politics is a game of addition. this is what david and the obama campaign...
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i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we were to lower rates, for example, you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and actually get more revenue and get rid of some more deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. and that is how you get the economy to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth. if we send more money to washington, we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position, you just spelled out in significant detail, there is not going to be a deal, you know, between now and december 3
i think it is a mistake, if it is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we...
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it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break, they've getting a tax break on the first 250, just like everybody else. >> congressman cole first said this in a closed door meeting with republicans yesterday. he said basically exactly what president obama just said and he then expanded on his comments instead of denying them or refusing to comment at all, which he could have done. house speaker john boehner, who needs other loyal republicans to start talking sense to crazy tea party, he was outraged by his suggestion. >> you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. we're willing to put revenue on the table as long as we're not raising rates. >> but that didn't stop congressman cole from going on hardball today continuing to sell the idea of making peace with the president for the sake of 98% of american taxpayers. >> if the president's willing to accept 80% of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the american people and make them permanent, i think that is a point we should agree op. >> tom cole also made it clear he is still a boehn
it's not like folks who make more than 250 aren't getting a tax break, they've getting a tax break on the first 250, just like everybody else. >> congressman cole first said this in a closed door meeting with republicans yesterday. he said basically exactly what president obama just said and he then expanded on his comments instead of denying them or refusing to comment at all, which he could have done. house speaker john boehner, who needs other loyal republicans to start talking sense...
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they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of your life. >> a career decision. >> if someone tells you they are pro-life or pro-choice, is this 18 months or a year? how long are you pro-choice? you are telling someone who you are. i'm the kind of guy who is pro- choice or pro-life. two people have brought that up. latourette who decided to leave congress he said yeah i made that promise a long time ago and i went into district and talked about banks and mortgage. mortgage, that was 20 years ago. you are still sending me letters. people make a commitment. it's an easy simple commitment an
they like taxes? >> it's a pledge not to increase taxes. people say why don't you toughen it. you don't want to change it because it is a simple guardrail. it doesn't solve the world's problems, it says no net tax increase. >> in your mind when someone signs it, how long are they committed to it? >> in writing when the person signs it as long as you are a congressman or senator. >> you are signing this for life? >> unless you intend to be a congressman for all of...
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credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that you got to pay part of that revenue toward that debt just like every single american that owns a home pays part of their monthly revenue toward their mortgage debt. it's exactly the same thing. the problem that grover and i have, he says if you do that, that's a tax increase, because the rest of it is going to go to lowering tax rates, and that's not 100% going to lowering tax rates. >> sean: if you're talking about $1.1 trillion or $1.2 trillion in revenue, that's raising taxes. people will pay more. when people pay more -- >> no. >> sean: they're no
credits and tax inclusions in a major tax reform package. the gang of six that i was a part of, still a part of, followed that recommendation. we think you ought to eliminate all of that. that will generate about $1.2 trillion in revenue. not new taxes. revenue. then you decide whether you're going to add the mortgage interest deduction, charitable deduction, other things back in there. so the question is, what do you do with that revenue that's been generated? we owe $16 trillion. i think that...
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own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread the hysteria and--and if their plan goes through the austerity plan, they and their company and their bonuses are actually the only thing that is going to improve in this economy. >> eliot: as they have over the past couple of years. income disparity is worse and worse and incomes are going up. lloyd blankfein telling people that they people should not expect to work for 25 years and then retire for 30. i don't think he understands what social security is all about. >>> the hispanic caucus said no today on a repub
own taxes. it's a sham and they ought to be rolled out of town if people understand what they were talking about. >> if people are worried about how they're going to take care of the homeless, how schools will be able to accommodate 30 kids in the class rom how people will be able to make ends meet when unemployment disappears. they can't be here. they can't afford it. they come here and write it off in their taxes $20 million a year ceos from these corporations, and continue to spread...
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increase tax top tax and he was bent over the way he was wrong which. nixon defended a he was wrong or can't either but so is right but tom nobody was paying ninety percent for real because there's because what happens is the democrats when they had three million dollars to quit taking money out but everybody did their businesses so that they could pay their employees of these away democrats raise the rates so that they can sell deductions that's how the game is played that is well that's how they've always corazon republicans want to lower the rates that so you can't sell deductions of the rates are low the reality though is that during that period of time when the top tax rate topping them tax rate was ninety one seventy four percent from from nine hundred thirty the five hundred thirty three nine hundred thirty three to just an ok and no until until the eisenhower here in the regular mr ok during that period of time you had you had c.e.o.'s who were not living in mansions they were you know and only one private well you had some people who were havin
increase tax top tax and he was bent over the way he was wrong which. nixon defended a he was wrong or can't either but so is right but tom nobody was paying ninety percent for real because there's because what happens is the democrats when they had three million dollars to quit taking money out but everybody did their businesses so that they could pay their employees of these away democrats raise the rates so that they can sell deductions that's how the game is played that is well that's how...
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but what i want to tell you is that ronald reagan agreed to tax reform that led to lower tax rates but also higher tax revenues from rich folks because it got rid of loopholes and deductions. >> stephen: you lower tax rates, revenues get higher. i already said that earlier. >> it's a complicated thing. >> stephen: it's not complicated lower/higher. >> you can get revenue gains from making it cleaner and fairer and more transparent and that's what republicans --. >> stephen: wait, simplifying the tax code, closing loopholes, is that not raising taxes? are those two things different? >> you have hit on a very tricky and important issue, stephen, which is that, yes, there's a way to raise average tax rates on high earners without raising the marginal tax rate on high earners. >> stephen: wow, i'm interested in what you just said and yet it's incrediblebly boring at the same time. (laughter) >> fair enough. i'm trying to say that you can industrial a 35% top rate and say wait a second, rich people are not able to take the same kind of deductions that take take under today's tax code. >> st
but what i want to tell you is that ronald reagan agreed to tax reform that led to lower tax rates but also higher tax revenues from rich folks because it got rid of loopholes and deductions. >> stephen: you lower tax rates, revenues get higher. i already said that earlier. >> it's a complicated thing. >> stephen: it's not complicated lower/higher. >> you can get revenue gains from making it cleaner and fairer and more transparent and that's what republicans --. >>...
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why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not wanting to raise axes. he personalizes it with me. lou: what about those folks like senator john mccain, senator lindsay gramm, senator chambliss the list goes on. i mea -- >> it doesn'go on. it does not go on. here's theood news. all the people who last week and said we might raise taxes under certain circumstaes with the same people who said that two years ago. and everyews dia outlet in the country has said the last week, would you like to be famous? would you like to be called important and influential? come to our tv station and announced u areefor tax increases and we will tell everyone you are impor
why don't you be responsible and raise taxes, put your finger prints on a tax increase to pay for our bigger government. republicans said no. harry reid has had a hissy fit for four years now, i'm happy the republicans would not raise taxes to pay for is bigger government. the problem is the american people don't want their taxes raised. lou: what i asked was how you feel? >> i am pleased as punch. harry reid, at haing a hissy fit at me, he's really mad at the ameican people for not...
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it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look, republicans need to compromise. they need to keep tax cuts in place forpeople earning $250,000 and less. heays it's time to make a change and now people on the hill saying that the g.o.p. is splintering. what do you say? >> that's not true. actually, what tom was trying to say was it's a tax call thing. tom is against raising taxes on any level. he's against raising taxes on all folks, but have agreement with the president onhis group that's $250,000 and less, clear the table and make the bracket.ions in the upper he's against raising r
it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 tat we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now th we did five years ago. thiss a spending issue. gerri: spending or revenue, that is, the amount of money taken in by the federal government has recovered, and it's doing much better. >> right. gerri: turning your tarns to a conversation going on for days lately. the most recent adherent oklahoma congressman tom cole saying, look,...
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we can raise tax revenue by simplifying the tax code, not increasing tax rates. we can address wasteful government spending that jeopardize an hour commitments in the national defense and protecting our most honorable. we can jump-start our economy by assuring americans that congress and the president can work together to get the job done and deal courageously with the pressing problems of today. when it comes to the fiscal cliff, the president and congress will either fail together or we will succeed together. there is nothing in between. i am confident that we can pass the test and do what is good and right for the american people. >> the president has been talking a lot about taxes lately, and as acpa who practiced for years and a member of ways and means committee, there is no one who likes to talk about tax more than i do. but let's be honest -- talking about taxes is not going to solve the problem that america faces. we have to turn to the spending side of the ledger. furthermore, his tax proposal will kill about 700,000 jobs and do harm to the economy, aga
we can raise tax revenue by simplifying the tax code, not increasing tax rates. we can address wasteful government spending that jeopardize an hour commitments in the national defense and protecting our most honorable. we can jump-start our economy by assuring americans that congress and the president can work together to get the job done and deal courageously with the pressing problems of today. when it comes to the fiscal cliff, the president and congress will either fail together or we will...
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tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to bring out grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. good morning, grover. [applause] >> you don't have your bag. he is attached to his bag. >> they told me it was too streamlined up here for the bag. >> thank you very much for coming out. can republicans raise taxes and not break your pledge? >> difficult. >> it's not know
tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into...
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here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear, other than buenos dias. >> seems like republicans are having an easier time writing off norquist than appealing to latinos. >>> which former gop candidate got a nod on the cbs show "ncis:los angeles" last night? one of the detectives on last night's episode gave us a throwback to a certain candidate's tax plan. >> huh? look at all those center hits. nine, nine, nine. should change my name to herman cain. >> yeah? i think it's more like peewee herman. read them and weep. >> you know what? these targets are cultu cultura biased. >> against what, surfers? >> 9-9-9 is how we remember herman cain. >>> are
here's stephen colbert. >> obama's answer to taxes is to raise taxes on the wealthy because he ran on that promise and won the elections. it's like he's totally disregarding my dismisses ive finger quotes. what part of this don't you understand? president obama? republicans might let him do it, even though every republican in congress has signed the no taxes pledge, created by the president of americans for tax reform, grover norquist. the two most terrifying words a republican can hear,...
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for the very highest tax rate? maybe not 39 1/2, maybe more like 35, but he can say i met with these experts and they're the reason i'm backing off of that? >> reporter: no, i don't think he would do that. that would not be a good political strategy because wall street the among the most unpopular segments with the american public. and the president's stance right now for raising taxes for people at the top of the income scale is very popular with the public. what he's got to do is convert that into to effective support in congress while also getting people in his own party to agree to cuts in these spending programs, especially the entitlements of medicare and social security which are so explosive in their costs. >> all right, john, thanks a lot for giving us the latest there. john harwood from the white house. and of course, as ceos come walking out of that meeting, we'll bring you the latest from there. >>> fear of gridlock in d.c. causing a big exodus in stocks. $9 billion flowed out of u.s. equities last week
for the very highest tax rate? maybe not 39 1/2, maybe more like 35, but he can say i met with these experts and they're the reason i'm backing off of that? >> reporter: no, i don't think he would do that. that would not be a good political strategy because wall street the among the most unpopular segments with the american public. and the president's stance right now for raising taxes for people at the top of the income scale is very popular with the public. what he's got to do is...
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we do it through the tax code but the tax code, we are a good example. we are not rich but we are trying to get rich and the tax code goes after those that are trying to get rip. >>neil: isn't california just approved two tax hikes sales and income on your very group. so that is a triple whammy. >>guest: you have to be wired differently to do business in california. you have to extra extra drive. >>neil: why do you do it? >>guest: the weather. >>neil: i will agree with you there. >>guest: our business has to have good weather. we can keep our employees employed year round because it sunny and warm and almost throughout the year, december and january are the exceptions. >>neil: when you say defer deferring to december and january -- let me ask you, if your husband says your business is picking up, that would speak to what the president is saying and to could be the wind at your back? >>guest: i know how hard he works and --. >>neil: your husband? >>guest: yes. >>neil: in the you were talking about your husband? ing he works six days a week and he has done
we do it through the tax code but the tax code, we are a good example. we are not rich but we are trying to get rich and the tax code goes after those that are trying to get rip. >>neil: isn't california just approved two tax hikes sales and income on your very group. so that is a triple whammy. >>guest: you have to be wired differently to do business in california. you have to extra extra drive. >>neil: why do you do it? >>guest: the weather. >>neil: i will agree...
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have always been being taxed at ordinary income rates. david: they're concerned it will go up even more. >> go from 35 to whatever, whatever solution comes down. short-term capital gains it is equally important to recognize short-term capital gains if you recognize them in short term before january 1st. the general notion however is that, you know, to what extent our tax rates driving capital formation and job creation? i don't think they are as important as making sure that we have a strong economy. in a strong economy, depend upon a balanced budget. so that is the thing we really have to work for. liz: get it going, we agree. david: bill harris, good to see you. thank you very much. come again. liz: nice to see you. david: coming up, the fed continuing to print money to ease our economic programmed problems but they can't print gold. we hear that in ad after ad on television so should that be your investment of choice? scott carter comes up makes his bullish case for the metal. liz: national federation of independent business says we ne
have always been being taxed at ordinary income rates. david: they're concerned it will go up even more. >> go from 35 to whatever, whatever solution comes down. short-term capital gains it is equally important to recognize short-term capital gains if you recognize them in short term before january 1st. the general notion however is that, you know, to what extent our tax rates driving capital formation and job creation? i don't think they are as important as making sure that we have a...
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during the clinton administration, tax -- top tax rate was 39.6% and the economy took off. let's do that again. >> as we hear earlier mitt romney will be at the white house tomorrow. he obviously doesn't need to worry about my2k because his is worth more than $100 million. what's the understanding of this meeting? we understand paul ryan will be there as well. >> i think the president wants to strike a bipartisan note. romney no longer has to mullify the right wing of his paerd. he doesn't have strong feelings about much of anything at all. is it possible he could come out and bless what these business executives have been calling for, which is the president's balanced approach? anything's possible with mitt romney. and i think it very much makes sense for the president to extend an olive branch. you can say that -- >> but i thought mitt romney was -- hang on a second. i thought mitt romney was the one who proposed and espoused the notion of closing loopholes as the only way -- >> we know he's a flip-flopper. we don't have to -- >> that's true. >> he actually does -- it's e
during the clinton administration, tax -- top tax rate was 39.6% and the economy took off. let's do that again. >> as we hear earlier mitt romney will be at the white house tomorrow. he obviously doesn't need to worry about my2k because his is worth more than $100 million. what's the understanding of this meeting? we understand paul ryan will be there as well. >> i think the president wants to strike a bipartisan note. romney no longer has to mullify the right wing of his paerd. he...
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very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part of the solution, not the total solution, to reducing entitlement spending. >> if you were this the white house today with with the president as many of the nation's leading ceos are, what would be first that you would tell president obama today needs to be dealt with to get through the fiscal cliff? >> wehat we need is a solution that's going to call for sacrifice on the part of all americans. so we're going to have to raise revenue, yes. we're going to have to reduce spending. his own rhetoric, about a three to one, which is in line with the
very focused on raising taxes on the rich. if you have a millionaire or billionaire elderly person, and you tell them, guess what, you're going to have to pay more for your health care, that would be like raising their taxes, right? and it would help reduce the problem. but they don't want to talk about that. >> the easiest solution's in front of us. i'm not the expert on medicare or social security. means testing and raising age limits seem to me to be pretty practical solutions as part...
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assume the current federal tax rate on lotto wings is say 35%. you walk away with about $234 million. not bad. but, if we go over the fiscal cliff, taxes on those wings would spike up $16 million, meaning you'd walk away with a mere $218 million. thanks to our friends at the tax foundation for helping to crunch all of those numbers for us. even if the tax rate was 80%, brian, i would still be in it to win it because you know what? few million dollars? it's worth it. right? for $2? just a little ticket? >> there's two reasons not to buy a ticket. number one, the odds are almost impossible. number two, the winning ticket is right here. . >> no, that's not right. >> ted parish is with us, principal and directser of investments and hensler financial. if i win, whoever wins powerball or any lottery or comes into a lot of money, whether an irhair tans or what it is, what's your first recommendation? call you, right? >> call me and i'll strike you a really good deal. but you should invest for the long term first of all. nothing's changed. tax rates are
assume the current federal tax rate on lotto wings is say 35%. you walk away with about $234 million. not bad. but, if we go over the fiscal cliff, taxes on those wings would spike up $16 million, meaning you'd walk away with a mere $218 million. thanks to our friends at the tax foundation for helping to crunch all of those numbers for us. even if the tax rate was 80%, brian, i would still be in it to win it because you know what? few million dollars? it's worth it. right? for $2? just a little...
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let's talk about raising taxes, tax rights, so we can pay for eight or nine days more of federal government spending every year. what i'm saying is let's -- let's address the whole enchilada. >> i understand and i think -- >> we have to do some spending cuts. >> i understand. i think a lot of your colleagues would agree and we're starting to hear some of your other colleagues may be flirting with something that it sounds like you would not go along with. but nevertheless, let me back up here, your side is criticizing the president for going straight to the public here when you talk about the president's strategy, right, he's going to the public, meeting with middle class americans, meeting with ceos to make his case on this. you have speaker boehner. you have senate leader for your party mitch mcconnell. they're both saying, hang on, he needs to get in there and negotiate. but i want to point this out, congresswoman, let me point this out, this is from erskine bowles today. we talked about ad nauseam of the simpson/bowles debt committee and this is erskine bowles about to meet with the pres
let's talk about raising taxes, tax rights, so we can pay for eight or nine days more of federal government spending every year. what i'm saying is let's -- let's address the whole enchilada. >> i understand and i think -- >> we have to do some spending cuts. >> i understand. i think a lot of your colleagues would agree and we're starting to hear some of your other colleagues may be flirting with something that it sounds like you would not go along with. but nevertheless, let...
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i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive from economic growth and -- >> speaker boehner and republicans are reaching out to the administration. speaker boehner has said we'll put revenue on the table, not through higher tax rates but through closing loopholes and limiting deductions. that accomplishes exactly what the administration has demanded. >> but that means somebody's taxes will go up. >> sure. >> if you close loopholes an deductions. >> we'll make sure rates don't go up so you don't impact small businesses or middle class americans who obviously are struggling to get going and get back to work and get our economy going.
i've got a long track record of not only holding the line on taxes but reducing taxes. and i believe that we have too much -- at the national level, too much taxation, too much regulation but, no, i did not sign the pledge. >> let me ask you about the idea that revenues are on the table as the speaker has said. i'm curious what that really means. does that signal a willingness on the part of the gop to see some people's taxes go up, or does it mean that the revenue increases will derive...